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	<title>Now here's a thought &#187; Religion</title>
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		<title>The end of an era .. almost went unnoticed.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I updated my Facebook profile today. I have changed my &#8216;religious views&#8217; to Heretical Christian. What does that mean? Basically I don&#8217;t think I fit overly well into any mainline denomination&#8217;s theological bent. I have a draft blog post here called &#8220;Theory of God&#8221; that is a work-in-progress expansion on the theme.
After I changed my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I updated my <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=703007342">Facebook profile</a> today. I have changed my &#8216;religious views&#8217; to <em>Heretical </em><em>Christian</em>. What does that mean? Basically I don&#8217;t think I fit overly well into any mainline denomination&#8217;s theological bent. I have a draft blog post here called &#8220;Theory of God&#8221; that is a work-in-progress expansion on the theme.</p>
<p>After I changed my profile, I decided to click on it and see if anyone else also claimed to be a Heretical Christian. Sure enough, there are three of us (and all from Australia!)</p>
<p><strong>But that&#8217;s not the topic of this blog post. Merely some back story to how it came about.</strong></p>
<p>One of the other Heretical Christians had a note on his profile mourning the passing of Larry Norman. I immediately thought of the man commonly referred to as the Father of Christian Rock, and sure enough, some Googling later and it was confirmed. <a href="http://www.larrynorman.com/news/022408.html">Larry Norman passed away at the end of February</a>.</p>
<p>Growing up, Christian Rock was the soundtrack to my life. I&#8217;ve hosted several Christian Rock radio shows and went to many concerts in the late 80s and early 90s.</p>
<p>Links lead me to that great absorber of time: Wikipedia. From the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Norman" title="Larry Norman">Larry Norman article</a> I jumped to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_People">Jesus People</a> article and from there to the Music sub-section. There was a list of my musical influences through the 80s:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_McGuire" title="Barry McGuire">Barry McGuire</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Chapter_of_Acts" title="2nd Chapter of Acts">Second Chapter of Acts</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_%28band%29" title="Servant (band)">Servant</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petra_%28band%29" title="Petra (band)">Petra</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_Band" title="Resurrection Band">Resurrection Band</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Keaggy" title="Phil Keaggy">Phil Keaggy</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Stonehill" title="Randy Stonehill">Randy Stonehill</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Matthews" title="Randy Matthews">Randy Matthews</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrae_Crouch" title="Andrae Crouch">Andraé Crouch</a> as well as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Green" title="Keith Green">Keith Green</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Norman" title="Larry Norman">Larry Norman</a> who have both now passed away.</p>
<p>Petra! Wow! Now there is my biggest most favorite Christian Rock act. I think reading about them is what&#8217;s really inspired this post: <a href="http://www.cmcentral.com/news/3603.html">Petra decided to call it a day back at the end of 2005</a>. More than two years ago, my favorite band pulled the plug and I didn&#8217;t know. Larry Norman passed away a couple of weeks back and I only found out by chance.</p>
<p>Just two weeks back I scoured the internet for mention of a Melbourne band from the late 80s and early 90s, &#8220;Joint Heirs&#8221; and can find no trace. I assume they disbanded many years ago and are now playing in their local church bands (if you have any info at all, please let me know).</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s Christian rockers are not the anti-establishment &#8220;Jesus People&#8221; of the 60s and 70s. They&#8217;re an accepted and popular part of today&#8217;s church. Yesterday&#8217;s rebels are now the music ministers at their churches and the rebels are .. well .. suppressed by acceptance.<br />
Anyway, this post mourns the passing of my musical influences, in particular Larry Norman, Petra and Joint Heirs. Right now I&#8217;m off to see if I can find Petra&#8217;s amazing &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captured_In_Time_and_Space">Captured in Time and Space</a>&#8221; on iTunes or anywhere else then I&#8217;ll crank it up and re-live my younger days.</p>
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		<title>You&#8217;re not an atheist, you&#8217;re agnostic</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At some point in the last 20 years, we&#8217;ve gone from having to dodge &#8216;Crazy Christians&#8217; on street corners to having to dodge virulent &#8216;atheists&#8217;. The very people who used to get annoyed by anyone talking about faith have now become militant. They are more keen to convert you to their apparent way of thinking [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point in the last 20 years, we&#8217;ve gone from having to dodge &#8216;Crazy Christians&#8217; on street corners to having to dodge virulent &#8216;atheists&#8217;. The very people who used to get annoyed by anyone talking about faith have now become militant. They are more keen to convert you to their apparent way of thinking than Christians have ever been since the inquisition. And yet they don&#8217;t see the irony.</p>
<p>I think the only thing that annoys me more than their virulence is the fact that most of them <em>do not believe</em> the message they preach. Which means that they&#8217;re not only trying to force everyone to their way of thinking, but they&#8217;re doing so without fully understanding what it is that they think they&#8217;re thinking.</p>
<p>What do I mean? Try this: find a reasonable, thinking person, willing to admit when they&#8217;re wrong, who has claimed to be an atheist. Then quiz them on what that actually means to them*. Have they totally and forever excluded the merest possibility of there being a higher being? Are they so convinced that it would be something they&#8217;d die before recanting? Thought so. Most people (not all) that claim atheism don&#8217;t truly believe it. They&#8217;re actually agnostic.</p>
<blockquote><p>a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; <em>broadly</em> <strong>:</strong> one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god  <em>&#8211; M-W dictionary</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Once they&#8217;ve realised they don&#8217;t hold to atheism quite as strongly as they first thought, offer them an alternative: agnosticism. The view that they don&#8217;t know and probably never will know. Maybe then they&#8217;ll stop the proselytizing.</p>
<p>* Should regular quizzing not produce the desired results, try <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_rack">the rack</a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_maiden_%28torture_device%29">iron maiden</a>, or even .. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spanish_Inquisition_%28Monty_Python%29">the comfy chair</a></p>
<p><em><strong>Edit</strong> 2007-10-05: Fixed typo in the title. Thanks Chicken Girl!<br />
<strong>Edit</strong> 2007-10-06: Fixed another typo. Thanks Hon!</em></p>
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		<title>&#8220;I want it both ways&#8221; &#8212; Innuendo intended</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the Anglican Church has decided it doesn&#8217;t want to agree or disagree with the US ordination of a gay bishop. Choosing a position would split the church and they&#8217;re fighting for numbers. So now there&#8217;s going to be two parts to the church. Those who agree, and those who don&#8217;t. This must be the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Anglican Church has decided it <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1674388.htm" target="_blank">doesn&#8217;t want to agree</a> or disagree with the US ordination of a gay bishop. Choosing a position would split the church and they&#8217;re fighting for numbers. So now there&#8217;s going to be two parts to the church. Those who agree, and those who don&#8217;t. This must be the weakest possible solution. Chuches who support gay clergy and gay marriage will still be considered &#8216;Anglican Churches&#8217; (or Epsicopal in the states), but they&#8217;ll only be &#8216;associate&#8217; churches.</p>
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		<title>A Reflection on Ecumenism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2005 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ When God puts us back together again (With the aid of, our willingness to cooperate) This great church will be marked by The dignity and scholarship of the Anglicans The order and sacraments of the Roman Catholics The warm fellowship of the Methodists The Presbyterian desire for good preaching And the Lutheran respect for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> When God puts us back together again (With the aid of, our willingness to cooperate) This great church will be marked by The dignity and scholarship of the Anglicans The order and sacraments of the Roman Catholics The warm fellowship of the Methodists The Presbyterian desire for good preaching And the Lutheran respect for sound theology. There will be the Baptist concern for individual salvation The Congregational respect for the rights of the lay members The Pentecostal reliance on the power of the Holy Spirit And the Quaker appreciation for silence. We will find there the Mennonite sense of community The social action of the Salvation Army And the Reformed love of the Bible All wrapped in the Orthodox reverence before the mystery of God.</p>
<p><em>From &#8220;A Survival Guide for Ecumenically Minded Christians&#8221; by Father Tom Ryan CSP, NOVALIS 1989</em></p>
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